Dionate Johnson will have to prove he can handle a full “load” as receiver and return man

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The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted a very versatile player in Diontae Johnson, but he will have to prove he can handle the workload at the NFL level.

When the Pittsburgh Steelers drafted Diontae Johnson in the third round of the 2019 NFL Draft, they technically used one of the picks they received from the Oakland Raiders for Antonio Brown to select the dynamic Toledo receiver.

Not only did they use the Raiders’ pick, but they drafted a player who is primarily compared to Brown as a receiver, route runner and return man. When Brown was drafted in the sixth round out of Central Michigan, he was predominantly a return man, and worked his way into the discussion at the wide receiver position.

As Johnson enters his first training camp as a professional, he has already been alerted to the conditioning necessary to succeed at the highest level. After dealing with hamstring injuries throughout minicamp and Organized Team Activities (OTAs), special teams coach Danny Smith is challenging the young player to come to Saint Vincent College in Latrobe, PA more prepared for the rigors of NFL life.

“I don’t want to bad-rap the kid, but you saw some hamstring issues early (in rookie minicamp and OTAs). So can he? I don’t know. He’s gotta be in tip-top shape. You talk about being a wide receiver, a punt returner, a kick returner in this league? Your ‘hams’ better be in pretty good shape. He’s gotta understand that. I think that’s a maturation process. I think he’s gotta learn that.” Smith told Mike Prisuta of Steelers.com.

“We’ll see what kind of shape he comes back in and how much he can do them all. Can he carry that load remains to be seen.”

Don’t let a hint of criticism skew your view of the potential Johnson has, especially as a player who is dynamic whenever he has the football in his hands.

“I studied him a lot. I liked him a lot. I put together tape on him. I went over to Toledo to visit with him and meet him, I spent a lot of time with him. He’s a good player, a real good player. We’ll see how he handles all this at the next level but he’s a very good player.

“He’s got great hands. And if you look, he’s had some drops on returns. He has a technique issue that we’re working on, but he has great hands. He can stick his foot in the ground and change direction, he likes it, he wants to do it, that’s the upside on him. I’m excited.”

Some fans have already penciled Johnson’s name relatively high on the depth chart, and while him not making the team as a third round pick is extremely doubtful, expecting him to make big plays from the moment he walks onto the field are certainly lofty expectations. When you look at how Antonio Brown, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and even Martavis Bryant, took some time to get acclimated on the field as a receiver, it should dampen some of the immediate expectations some have for Johnson.

The fastest way for Johnson to get on the field is by way of special teams, and if special teams coordinator Danny Smith is challenging your conditioning, it would be wise of the young man to heed his advice.

Stay tuned to BTSC for the latest news and notes surrounding the black-and-gold as they prepare for training camp this Thursday!

Ben Roethlisberger and JuJu Smith-Schuster ranked 6th by PFF regarding catchable target percentage

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The Steelers’ QB/WR duo was one of the best in the NFL at this particular statistic in 2018.

The Pittsburgh Steelers fan base is excited about the 2019 season, but are also a bit apprehensive when it comes to life without Antonio Brown. While mainstream media continues to suggest the loss of Le’Veon Bell, who didn’t play a snap in the NFL last season, will impact the team, losing Brown’s 15 touchdowns is a legitimate concern.

Many are wondering if JuJu Smith-Schuster will be able to fill the shoes of Brown and be Roethlisberger’s top target this season. Well, if there is one thing going the Steelers’ way at this point it is the fact Roethlisberger and Smith-Schuster have a very good rapport on the football field.

Pro Football Focus (PFF) recently released an article ranking the Top 10 current QB/WR duos regarding ‘catchable target percentage’. How did PFF come up with these statistics?

Charting every throw at the NFL level since 2006, we at PFF have labeled all passes with an intended receiver as either catchable or uncatchable. Below is a list of the top-10 active wide receivers with the highest catchable target percentage in the regular season of the PFF Era (2006-19).

Take a look at the Top 10:

10. Tyler Lockett, Russell WilsonSeattle Seahawks
9. Julian Edelman, Tom BradyNew England Patriots
8. Tyler Boyd, Andy DaltonCincinnati Bengals
7. Bradin Cooks, Jared GoffLos Angeles Rams


79.5% Catchable Target Percentage

Save for the Indianapolis Colts, Pittsburgh threw on downs with a distance of five yards or less more than any other team in 2018 (158). The key reason for this? Roethlisberger’s catchable pass percentage, or more specifically, his catchable pass rate when targeting Smith-Schuster.

In just two seasons with the Steelers, the USC alumnus has become the number-one pass-catching option on one of the most pass-happy teams in the NFL and has done so by securing 70.5% of balls deemed catchable that come his way.

5. Mohamed Sanu, Matt RyanAtlanta Falcons
4. Keenan Allen, Philip RiversLos Angeles Chargers
3. Adam Thielen, Kirk CousinsMinnesota Vikings
2. Michael Thomas, Drew BreesNew Orleans Saints
1. Cooper Kupp, Jared Goff — Los Angeles Rams

Looking at the above list, Smith-Schuster and Roethlisberger being so high on the list certainly is impressive considering they only have two years together, but it also should be a bright spot for the fan base as the team now prepares for the 2019 season without Brown in the 412 area code.

What do you think of the list? Do you see the Steelers duo being ranked just right? Or do you think their ranking is bogus? Let us know what you think in the comment section below, and be sure to stay tuned to BTSC for all things black-and-gold as they prepare for training camp at the end of this week!

Several former Steelers still looking for a team as training camp approaches

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There are still one or two former players on the open market who deserve another shot in the NFL this year

While the Pittsburgh Steelers will return to Latrobe for the start of training camp on July 25, there are still several members of the 2018 version of that group looking for a home this offseason. The names include a former first-round draft pick as well as a Super Bowl winner, but with just days to go until the last few teams begin training, their chances of making a roster in 2019 are looking increasingly slim.

Stevan Ridley

At 30-years-old with a Super Bowl ring on his finger and a 1000-yard season on his resume, it is perhaps something of a surprise to note that no one around the league has space on their roster for Ridley. With limited mileage on his body after four years of relative inactivity, it is hard to believe that Ridley is not capable of being the third choice running back on a depth chart somewhere. A sentiment the running back echoed in a recent social media post.

Coty Sensabaugh

Sensabaugh may not have lit the world on fire with his level of play in 2018, but he was arguably far better than Artie Burns, and he still has a job with an NFL team. Much like Ridley, Sensabaugh is not going to be the stand out player wherever he ends up, but he is still good enough to make an opening day roster as the fourth or fifth choice option at cornerback. His coverage grade from Pro Football Focus last season suggests he still has value this year.

Darrius Heyward-Bey

If there is a franchise still looking for a veteran leader in the locker room who can be a valuable contributor on special teams, Heyward-Bey should be the target. Unfortunately for him, his limited receiving numbers over the past four or five years do not indicate much of a weapon on offense anymore, but the 32-year-old wide receiver could still have a few years left in him on the right roster. While his experience will be missed in Pittsburgh, his hands probably will not. Heyward-Bey is still hopeful of at least one more season in 2019.

Justin Hunter

Making an argument for Hunter’s inclusion on a NFL roster is a difficult one to make after his first six seasons in the league. Despite being only 28-years-old, Hunter has shown little during his career to suggest that he will ever produce on game day, regardless of how well he practices. Seemingly unable to contribute on special teams, the wideout is unlikely to find another team willing to give him a shot in 2019 barring significant injuries to their receivers group.

Indeed, injuries may be the path back into the NFL for all of these players, with possibly a return to Pittsburgh on the cards later in the year should needs dictate additional signings. If you were forced to pick one player for the Steelers to sign in 2019, which one would be your choice?

30 predictions in 30 days: James Conner will eclipse Le’Veon Bell’s greatest single season rushing total with Steelers in 2019

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The Pittsburgh Steelers are approaching training camp, and we provide some potential predictions for 2019.

With 3 days to go until the start of training camp for the Pittsburgh Steelers, we continue our 30 predictions in 30 days series with another bold claim for 2019.

Alternating daily between myself and BTSC Editor Jeff Hartman, we will offer our forecasts for the upcoming season. Some will be team oriented, while others will be specific to individual players. Posing an argument for and against our predictions, we invite you to weigh in on the debate as well.

Following on from Jeff’s claim that James Conner will have 17 total touchdowns in 2019, I offer up another projection for the young running back this year

Prediction: James Conner will record more rushing yards in 2019 than Le’Veon Bell ever did during a single season in Pittsburgh.

Why it will happen: In five seasons with the Steelers, Le’Veon Bell surpassed the 1000-yard mark three times, his best single season rushing total coming in 2014 when he recorded 1.361 yards during his second season. In 2019, James Conner will eclipse that number.

Bell hit that target off the back of 290 carries and a 4.7 yard average five years ago, figures that are not too far out of line with the number of carries that Conner would have seen in 2018 if not for his injury. Back-to-back season of 4.5 yards per carry also suggests the young running back could achieve a similar total with the same number of attempts.

Running behind one of the best offensive lines in the league will not hurt Conner’s cause too much either, a unit that is notably improved on the group that blocked for Bell in 2014 if only because of their experience. However, while it might be fair to say that Alejandro Villanueva is an upgrade over Kelvin Beachum, Matt Feiler is not quite the player that Marcus Gilbert was back then.

Entering his third season in the league, it is reasonable to expect to see further improvement from Conner, and with the Steelers forced to adapt to the loss of Antonio Brown, there is every chance he will get more opportunities in 2019 if the offense opts to be less pass happy as a consequence.

Why it won’t happen: In a league where throwing the ball is king, the significance of the running game has declined annually and the total we are suggesting for Conner would have made him the NFL’s second leading rushing in 2018.

Ben Roethlisberger led the league in passing yards last season and there a few teams in the NFL who throw on short yardage as much as the Steelers. Even five years ago, the chances of Pittsburgh running the ball when they need three yards or less were much higher than they are now and Conner is likely to struggle to record the number of attempts his predecessor once saw.

The Steelers outspoken commitment to lightening the load of their starting running has reared its head once again this offseason, and should they finally be able to put that into practice, Conner will never come close to touching 1,300 yards. The two talented young back behind him on the depth chart should also eat into his carries. And while we only have a small sample size to go on, Conners inability to stay healthy so far during his professional career cast doubt on any statistical projections.

What are your thoughts on this prediction? Do you think it will happen? Or are we crazy? Let us know by voting in the poll, and letting your voice be heard in the comment section below!

It now seems fashionable to want to see the Steelers fail

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The Steelers may be a traditional powerhouse, but they’re one that hasn’t won a title in a long time. They’re perceived to be on the downturn, and that is why it’s so easy for national pundits to attack them at every opportunity.

In case you haven’t noticed, the Steelers aren’t receiving a whole lot of love from the national pundits this offseason.

That’s right, not many are predicting Pittsburgh will be much more than mediocre in 2019, with the average win-total sitting at around 9.5 or so.

As for those national pundits, it seems they never let an opportunity pass by without reminding the public just how bad the Steelers possibly could be this season.

Former Steelers corner Brandon Boykin was the latest to sit in front of a camera and let the audience know why he thought Pittsburgh could really, really suck next year. One reason he listed while appearing on the NFL Network (and I can’t believe I never thought of this during my many weeks co-hosting The Steelers Hangover with Bryan Anthony Davis this offseason— but then again, I’m not a former player, so what do I know?) was that Pittsburgh’s offense could really feel the loss of receiver Antonio Brown.

Boykin also said the Steelers could be in trouble in 2019 if Ben Roethlisberger goes down and one of the backups has to play. (In other news, did you know if you broke both of your hands, you’d be in deep trouble if you tried to drive your car with your feet?)

In fairness to Boykin, he’s just like so many others out there, a person who is simply going out of his way to look for reasons why the Steelers will soon fall on hard times.

It’s fashionable to want to see the Steelers fail these days, just like it’s fashionable to want to see the Cleveland Browns succeed.

It’s the world we live in. People love the underdog, and they hate the king.

Let’s face it, in a national sense, the Steelers are the Yankees. They are Notre Dame. They are the Lakers. They are (and I realize this will hurt a lot) the Cowboys.

You might ask, “Well, don’t all of those teams you’ve mentioned get a lot of love nationally?” Of course they do. The Steelers also generally receive a lot of national love. We’re just too busy noticing the hate—especially this year since, to reiterate, it’s really in-style.

In fact, it used to be fashionable to predict that Pittsburgh would win the Super Bowl just about every offseason (how many times in recent years did the great writer, Peter King go out of his way to predict such things)? We may not remember all of the King’s past love now that he’s predicting the Steelers will be fairly mediocre in 2019.

Back to the Yankees, Cowboys, etc. When you’re a team with a championship tradition, people just want to see you fail more. This is especially the case when you haven’t won in a very long time—something that is the reality for all of those aforementioned teams who continue to generate ratings and have, well, annoying fan bases (at least that’s the perception) who travel everywhere to see them.

The Patriots, your reigning Super Bowl champions, will soon experience this. Oh, sure, they have plenty of hate now (“I Cheer For the Steelers And Any Team Playing the Patriots,” reads the t-shirt you bought down at the Strip District), but they’re currently too darn successful to care about such things. And they certainly aren’t all that worried about any hate they may receive from the national pundits.

But there will come a day when New England is just another team with a championship tradition that hasn’t actually won in a while. The quarterback will be gone. The coach will be retired. The fans will go from cocky and arrogant to just plain annoying: “Why are there so many of them in this section? Don’t they know their team hasn’t won in years?”

The Steelers are that team right now. Maybe that will change if they win a seventh title this season, but if they don’t, you can expect more of the same hate and piling on in the 2020 offseason.

The Pittsburgh Steelers may be a giant, but they’re not one that people are afraid of right now. And that’s why it’s much easier to attack them from all sides.

BTSC Pittsburgh Steelers Jeopardy: A Piece of the pie

Kansas City Chiefs v Pittsburgh Steelers

Test your Pittsburgh Steelers intellect in the BTSC Steelers Jeopardy game!

This… is…Jeopardy! Well, BTSC Steeler Jeopardy. Once again, I put my black-and-gold mind to work and came up with 5 Steelers “answers” from one specific Steelers category. You will be charged with trying to guess the responses in the comment section below.

Remember to always phase your response in the form of a question, and if you don’t know it, you can simply skip it. Keep track and share your scores. A word of warning though, the correct responses are right after each individual wager in blue. Consider this something fun to pass the time until the real news starts!!

Todays Category: Piece Of The Pie


Question: Who is John Stallworth?

The Hall of Famer was announced as becoming part-owner of his former team on March 23, 2009.


Question: What is the Cleveland Browns?

Haslam, the CEO of the truck stop chain Pilot Flying J, became a minority owner of the Steelers in 2008. In 2012, Haslam gave up his ownership stake in Pittsburgh and purchased the Browns for $1 Billion. Think about that next time you’re paying $20 for beef jersey at a truck stop.


Question: What is “The Dark Knight Rises”?

Thomas Tull, a self-professed fanboy, has produced countless blockbusters like The Dark Knight trilogy, The Hangover series, 300, We Are Marshall, Interstellar, Straight Outta Compton and Godzilla: King of the Monsters. The Dark Knight Rises featured many Steeler players as member of the Gotham Rogues in the Batman film that featured Hines Ward outrunning an exploding Hines Field.


Question: What is Steel?

The American Metal Products Company is a specialty steel manufacturer headquartered in Downtown Pittsburgh. The Los Angeles and Pittsburgh-based Family has owned a portion of the team since 2008.


Question: Who is David Tepper?

David Tepper is a billionaire hedge fund manager that was born in the East End of Pittsburgh. Tepper purchased the Panthers just last year.

How’d you do? You didn’t resort to cheating did you? Let us know in the comments. See you next time on BTSC Steeler Jeopardy.

Podcast: Bold predictions for the 2019 Training Camp

In the latest episode of “The Standard is the Standard” show, we break down all the news you need to know surrounding the Black-and-Gold from the week that was.

The Pittsburgh Steelers season is over, but the news is just starting to heat up. With a surge of Steelers news, it was time to get back on the airwaves and discuss the Black-and-gold.

Take a look at the rundown for the latest episode of the BTSC flagship podcast The Standard is the Standard. On this show Jeff Hartman and special co-host Lance Williams break down all things Steelers, including a fun game of “True or False!”

Check out the rundown of the show:

  • News and Notes
  • Bold Predictions for Training Camp
  • Players reporting to camp in style?
  • Steelers Q&A
  • and MUCH MORE!

Jeff Hartman, editor of BTSC, and Lance Williams walk you through everything you need to know regarding the Black-and-gold.

If you haven’t heard, we have a YouTube channel, and the main reason for this is to increase the sound quality on our shows. But if you’re a visual learner you can watch the show below. Be sure to subscribe to our channel!

If you missed the live show, be sure to check out all episodes on the following platforms:

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If you’re old-school and just want the audio, you can listen to it in the player below.

Black and Gold Links: Matt Feiler not expecting anything handed to him during training camp

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Time to check on the latest news surrounding the Pittsburgh Steelers.

It is hard to believe, but the Pittsburgh Steelers return to the gridiron this week when they report back to training camp. In the meantime, don’t think the news surrounding the black-and-gold is over. As the team returns from their summer break, we continue to provide you with features, commentary and opinions to tide you over until training camp starts!

Today in the black-and-gold links article we take a look at how one of the few starting spots available during training camp, at right tackle, is up for grabs — according to Matt Feiler.

Let’s get to the news:

  • The Pittsburgh Steelers don’t have many starting positions available in 2019, but one of them is at right tackle. While most think Matt Feiler is the leader in the clubhouse, Feiler himself knows nothing is given.

Assuming the position not an option

By: Mike Prisuta, Steelers.com

Matt Feiler may be the incumbent, but he doesn’t consider himself the presumptive starter at right offensive tackle heading into training camp.

Not by a long shot.

“I’m not by any means the starter,” Feiler insisted this spring. “Anytime you’re out here, you’re getting pushed by the younger guys.”

Feiler started the last five games in succession, nine of the last 10 and 10 of 16 overall in 2018 at the position that by and large had belonged to Marcus Gilbert when healthy ever since the Steelers invested a second-round pick in Gilbert in 2011.

Gilbert started 88 of the 89 regular-season games he appeared in with the Steelers, but he was available for just 13 of 32 games combined over the past two campaigns (eight in 2017 and five last season).

He’s no long in the picture, but there are options at the position.

To read the full article, click HERE (Free)

  • When it comes to football with many Pittsburgh Steelers players, it isn’t just a game — it is family.

Family tradition

By: Mike Prisuta, Steelers.com

Defensive coordinator Keith Butler knew what the Steelers were looking for, well enough that it was recognizable upon discovery.

Now that they’ve found it, the pressure is on to justify the investment in first-round pick Devin Bush.

“There will be great expectations, and he knows that,” Butler acknowledged during Mandatory Veteran Minicamp. “And that’s OK, because in order to be successful in this league you gotta perform under pressure.

“You gotta perform under pressure and he’s going to have to do that, as well as his coaches.”

The Steelers were adamant in their desire to bolster inside linebacker in the draft, but they were also aware their options were limited in terms of being able to make a splash.

To read the full article, click HERE (Free)

  • For those hoping to hear about a new collective bargaining agreement before the start of the 2019 season, the NFL and NFLPA have reportedly had some good talks on that front.

NFL, NFLPA: We had “productive, constructive and beneficial” CBA talks

By: Josh Alper, ProFootballTalk

The NFL and NFLPA gathered for their fourth set of talks about a new Collective Bargaining Agreement on Wednesday and the schedule called for the meetings to last for three days.

There was a change in plans, however, and the two sides wrapped things up after several hours of conversations. A joint statement from the league and the union didn’t discuss the reason for the change, but did paint a positive picture of the work that went on.

“Today’s meeting was productive, constructive and beneficial for both sides, and the meetings between the NFLPA’s Executive Committee and the NFL’s Management Council Executive Committee will continue.”

To read the full article, click HERE (Free)

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Picking one player from each team in AFC North to add to the Steelers in 2019

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While most Pittsburgh fans understandably have disdain for most of the teams in their division, that does not mean we do not covet some of their players

While there is very little to like about any of the other teams in the AFC North, not all the players on their rosters are without talent. And as much as their abilities are somewhat tainted by wearing the uniform of a Pittsburgh Steelers divisional rival, there are still one or two names who would look good in the Black and Gold.

Looking through the roster list of each team, there are several names who have become so synonymous with a hated rival that the thought of them in Pittsburgh is enough to turn your stomach. But if we were able to add one player from each team in the AFC North in 2019, these are the three we would pick.

Baltimore RavensJustin Tucker

Given the struggles of Chris Boswell, there might be no player in the NFL who would improve the Steelers chances this year than the league’s best kicker. Automatic on extra points and virtually guaranteed on field goals under 50 yards, Tucker’s consistency is unmatched among his peers. Capable of making attempts as long as 60 yards look routine, the Ravens kicker has more range than any other player at his position.

The fact that he could have been signed by Pittsburgh in 2012 if he had accepted the Steelers invitation to come in for a tryout makes his success in Baltimore a little harder to accept.

Also considered: S, Earl Thomas

Cincinnati BengalsA.J. Green

In a perfect world, A.J. Green would have been the perfect replacement for Antonio Brown this offseason. A polar opposite in terms of personality, Green is everything you look for in a wide receiver and more. Exceptional hands, good speed and a great route runner, the Cincinnati wideout might be one of the more underrated superstars in the league.

Injuries limited him to just nine games in 2018, but when healthy, Green is a perennial 1,200 yard plus receiver, even with the limited talents of quarterbacks like Andy Dalton throwing him the ball. A consummate professional who seems to lack the diva mentality of many of his peers, Green has been surprisingly loyal to the dumpster fire of the organisation that is the Bengals. He deserves to be with a better team.

Also considered: CB, William Jackson

Cleveland BrownsDenzel Ward

For possibly the first time in decades, it is not an instant pass when sifting through the names on the Browns roster. And while players like Odell Beckham Jr. and Myles Garrett might be the top options for some readers, in the context of who represents the most notable upgrade for Pittsburgh this year, the preference here is for young cornerback Denzel Ward.

An explosive player with great coverage skills and fantastic speed, Ward was everything you could hope for from the fourth overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft. His two interceptions during his NFL debut against the Steelers should have given Pittsburgh fans a good indication of the talent he posses as well.

Also considered: DL, Myles Garrett

Let us know in the comments section below which names you would have chosen instead. Those of you screaming for Garrett over Ward probably have a good point.

Pick Your Poison: What would be the ideal way for the Steelers to roll into camp? In style, or all business?

The Pittsburgh Steelers report to training camp this week, and it begs a question on how the team will show up to Saint Vincent College.

The Pittsburgh Steelers make their annual trip to Saint Vincent College in Latrobe, PA this week for 2019 training camp. Over the years players have made all sorts of entrances to camp.

  • As shown in the image above, Brett Keisel would show up driving a tractor.
  • James Harrison once drove a fire truck to the dorms.
  • James Harrison also showed up in a smart car which he barely fit in one year.
  • Antonio Brown showed up in a Rolls Royce with his signature on it.
  • Antonio Brown also showed up in a classic Rolls Royce with a drive.
  • Last year Antonio Brown dropped into camp via helicopter with his entire family.
  • Vince Williams showed up last year wearing a ‘Stone Cold’ Steve Austin vest, blaring his entrance music, and grasping a heavyweight title belt.

There have been plenty other players who have come into camp in style, while some just showing up to do work.

I have always been one who believed the Steelers could use less pomp and circumstance when it comes to their triumphant entrances to camp, and would rather just see players carrying their pillows and suitcases into the dorms ready to get to work. Maybe I’m old fashioned in this sense, but the above examples always just seemed like players screaming for attention.

This isn’t to suggest teams who just have a standard report date and no fan fare are better off, this is strictly personal preference. So, with this week’s “Pick Your Poison”, do you like the no nonsense approach, or are you the person who gets a good laugh out of some of the players showing up in style?

Let us know by voting in the poll below, and be sure to explain yourself by leaving a comment in the comment section below!!